Charismatic and Pentecostal fakes
This
article wasn’t written to turn people off Christianity, this was
written to make people aware of what is happening in the church and has
been happening for many years.
In
addition, I never want to discourage my children even though they are
older. As they all attend the Pentecostal church with my wife.
Heretical and sacrilegious practices have been around it seems, forever.
The number one culprits for sacrilegious practices and blasphemous events are the Charismatic and Pentecostal churches.
There
is a massive deception going on within this movement, they think that
they are all filled with the Holy Spirit, but they’re not.
It
is quite common among some fanatical Pentecostals within the churches;
that they attempt to exclude other Christians when it comes to
experiencing and having a direct relationship with the Holy Spirit. Have
you ever been in meetings where the preacher ridicules other
denominations for their lack of ‘The Holy Spirit? I have.
I
remember when we lived on an acreage and as a family, we attended the
local towns’ Baptist Church. During the week though, I was looking for
an additional Bible study. I then went to a smaller town called Spruce
Grove seeking another church. I found and attended the town’s
Pentecostal Church.
They
invited me to someone’s acreage for dinner and a Bible study. When I
arrived, they asked me which church I regularly attended; I said the
Baptist Church, they then said, “when did you start to backslide?” I was
embarrassed as everyone was now laughing at me. Needless to say, I
didn’t enjoy the bible study and I never returned.
Then you have the big joke of the Holy Spirit coming upon the people at the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship.
They had people who supposedly received the baptism of the Holy Spirit then everyone starts acting weird.
I
have been in a Pentecostal Church where everyone starts shaking and
doing strange things, making weird noises, then all of a sudden, they
have become holier than they were before.
The power of suggestion, loud music, and chants can be a very powerful thing.
I
remember when living in Scotland when I was younger, I attended a
Scotland versus England football (soccer) game. The atmosphere was
electrifying, to say the least. 100,000 screaming fans made you tingle
all over; you were caught up in the moment.
The
chanting of songs, the waving of scarves, banners, and everyone singing
at the top of their lungs, it’s a moment that you never ever forget.
It’s
no different when you go to a Charismatic or Pentecostal gathering, you
are anticipating an atmosphere, and they deliberately crank up the
music, just to add to the atmosphere, just to make it a little bit
tenser and more believable.
The
musicians are aware of what they’re doing, they are instructed to do
this, the way they play the drums, the repetitive singing of one song,
getting everyone all worked up and eventually working the congregation
into some kind of spiritual frenzy.
Watch this video and tell me they are not nuts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SgByE0pX1M
Pentecostals
are just huge hypocrites, I know, my dad was one in the church he
operated way back forty years ago. He always claimed to have this
Pentecostal gift, yet, he was like hell to live with at home.
He
hated and resented his four sons, we were never good enough, always, an
embarrassment to his righteous church, which he told me by the way. He
was ashamed of us.
He
always hated my older brother, and then when my other brother got
married, he wanted him to move to Canada because he married a girl from a
poor area. He didn’t want her family coming around to our house.
Therefore, he was happy when my brother also moved to Canada.
Then
he told me that he was ashamed of me because of my long hair, and he
would call me a tramp and said I would never amount to anything.
All these things about the way Pentecostals are just irking me, from way back then.
My
dad told my mum, he said, “Whenever I die, make sure Ian; (my oldest
brother) gets nothing of mine”. That’s how much he hated my brother.
Yet,
my dad was a professing Christian, spoke in tongues. Yep! You may think
that I’m being stoic or very resentful towards my dad; however, he just
didn’t treat us right, or my mum.
I
think of this scripture in Corinthians “If I speak in the tongues of
men and of angels, but has not love, I am only a resounding gong or a
clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all
mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move
mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to
the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain
nothing.” (1 Corinthians 13:1-3)
The
Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship, people were slain in the spirit,
shaking violently, walking about on all fours barking like dogs, howling
like wolves and coyotes, running up and down the aisles as if possessed
by a demon, which they probably were.
Rolling
all over the floor like idiots, making absolute fools of themselves,
including God. Psycho laughing fits like people who were demented and
lost their mind.
They were all wound up like a witchcraft ritual taking place.
What
a counterfeit movement that was, so full of lies making people around
the world thinking, that Toronto had some kind of special visitation
from God.
Then all of a sudden, guess what, the Holy Spirit moved away, apparently, the Holy Spirit only came for a little time then left.
Things
can even become more hurtful and spiritually confusing, where prophecy
is concerned. Listeners have to basically take it or leave it and if
they leave it, there may be fatal consequences. No doubt, many of you
have experienced this kind of: “Thus says the Lord” or “The Holy Spirit
told me”. Such words need to be carefully weighed before one utters
them. They may influence other people’s lives in a drastic way. We have
to exercise caution in this. Unfortunately, poor communication is
sometimes a problem among Pentecostals.
Another
point of concern is noise and the belief that the noisier one gets, the
more Spirit-filled one is! Nevertheless, this foolish assumption has
caused many problems, not only in inter-denominational relationships but
also in relations between members of the Pentecostal churches.
Pentecostals often criticize the non- Pentecostal denominations that
they lack the direct experience of the Holy Spirit because they are too
silent. Let us recall the story of Elijah as he waited for God to speak
to him. God did not speak in the noise of the wind, in the violence of
the earthquake, or in the fire. He spoke in a soft whisper (1 Kings
19:11-13).
Notice the above scripture that I mentioned in 1st Corinthians 13:1-3
Notice
that Paul states explicitly, that, if he speaks in tongues of men and
angels but has no love, he is nothing! Love is a power. Love is a force.
Love is the most powerful positive force, ---it has the power to
prevent atrocities, undermine prejudices, build bridges, and bind us
together.
If you don’t have that you have absolutely nothing.
I
remember one evening at Central Pentecostal. They asked people if you
want to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit, to go into the prayer
room after the service. Of course, I wanted everything that God would
give me. There were lots of people in the prayer room.
Deacons
and elders along with their wives were praying for people. When it was
my turn to go forward, I went to a senior couple whom I knew very well,
as I used to attend a bible study at their home. When I went forward
they said, “Just pray in tongues as we are praying and it will come to
you”, I said, “No, I can’t do that, the bible says as the Spirit gives
the utterance, not me faking it so it will happen”.
I
was so upset and disillusioned with people whom I had trusted
spiritually. Now I knew it was a fake thing, yet, I truly, truly
believed it was for real, not anymore.
When these things happen to you, you become disgusted as to the realness of anything spiritual.
When
I attended People’s Church in 1990 in Edmonton before I was married, we
were all standing around in a group. This one person started talking
about how he started and learned to speak in tongues and how he received
the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
We
were all standing waiting for his wonderful out of this world
experience and testimony and he said, “When I started speaking in
tongues I started saying, she rides a Honda, she rides a Honda, real
fast, As soon as I started saying it real fast, I started speaking in
tongues”.
I
thought to myself, are you kidding. She rides a Honda real fast then
you’ll speak in tongues. I thought what a load of hogwash. This was
before I attended Central Pentecostal. Therefore, you can see, that with
all these things, how I find it so fake, especially within the churches
where I’ve experienced all this stuff.
I’m
not saying the Holy Spirit is a fake experience, but it was in those
churches and also in that Toronto Church. It’s actually quite disgusting
that we behave this way as Christians. I’d now rather not have it at
all. I feel so much let down by this experience that’s described in the
bible, I thought it was something more wonderful.
Listen,
all you weird Christians out there, get it together and stop being so
darn fake, it’s really sickening to me, very discouraging, and more
sickening to God.
I
find going to church so superficial, I no longer attend church, and I
have no time for it. My wife and kids attend a Pentecostal Church, I
tried it a few times, then people started acting strange shouting out in
the service weird things, then the pastor would tell him or her to sit
down, as they were out of order. I said to my wife, forget it, I’m not
going back.
If
God hates me for it, so be it. I pray to God all the time, but He
doesn’t come to me, I feel empty and alone, I’m doubting more every day,
I’ve had lots of bad church experiences with so-called Christians it’s
not even funny. Just so weird, I don’t need it.
I remember when my wife and I were married 25 years ago; we met in Central Pentecostal Church in Edmonton Alberta.
Prior
to this, I had been divorced, people in the church gossiped about me
because I had been divorced. The pastor at the time, Bob Jones who is
now at North Pointe Church in north Edmonton, wouldn’t marry us; it was
against his Pentecostal beliefs. Marrying us would contaminate his soul
or his credentials.
However,
they used to have an in-house pastor called Pastor Hodges who was
originally from the Baptist Church, so Bob Jones recommended him to
perform the wedding ceremony. It was okay for an old Baptist pastor to
be sinful and marry us, as his credentials didn’t matter, it was as if
his credentials weren’t as valuable as Bob Jones credentials.
You
talk about hypocrisy. It was okay to get married in the church though;
we wouldn’t actually defile the church, as it was just Bob Jones
Pentecostal credentials that would be defiled.
When
we had our first daughter, my wife wanted to have our daughter
dedicated at the church, by none other than, Bob Jones. It was okay for
him to dedicate our daughter from a corrupt divorcee family, but not to
marry us. I’m confused.
Here
is the confusing part; my wife’s previous common-law relationship
wasn’t even questioned, why, because she wasn’t married, that is,
officially. When she split up from her ex-boyfriend, they just went
their separate ways.
The
difference was, I had a divorce certificate, my wife to be didn’t
divorce, and she just separated. Are you confused yet? I am too.
Here
we have a Pentecostal pastor turning his back on us just at the time
when we needed reassurance. Instead, he poured out condemnation on us by
refusing to marry us. Yet, he would probably stand up on Sunday at
church, speaking, and faking the baptism of the Holy Spirit. After all,
you can’t be a Pentecostal pastor unless you speak in tongues.
When
my wife and I returned from our honeymoon, I received a phone call from
an older well-respected woman in the church. She asked me how we had
enjoyed the wedding; I told her that we thought it went very well. I
then continued telling her how pleased we were with the photographer as
he was a friend of ours and the pictures were so nice.
Then
all of a sudden she went on a rant about how he was a womanizer and how
that she knew sordid things about him. Right away I said to her, “woe,
woe, woe”. I said, “Hold on a minute before you go any further, he’s a
friend of ours and if you have anything to say to him you should tell
him to his face, not to me as I don’t want to hear it”.
The
next morning she came down the aisle of the church and confronted my
wife and me, she apologized and said she was sorry and that she
shouldn’t have said those things. I told her, that it was a little too
late, as she has now planted those thoughts into my mind about him. I
told her that maybe she should think first before she starts gossiping
about someone. I told her, that it’s hard to take back words once they
have been said.
It
makes me so angry even twenty-five years later, it’s so hypocritical. I
am beginning to hate the Christian, religious church establishment for
how they treat people, and how they gossip about one another.
Yet, we’re supposed to be Christ-like, what a joke.
I quoted this previously, but I’ll quote it again as I finish.
Notice the above scripture that I mentioned in 1st Corinthians 13:1-3
Notice
that Paul states explicitly, that, if he speaks in tongues of men and
angels but has no love, he is nothing! Love is a power. Love is a force.
Love is the most powerful positive force, ---it has the power to
prevent atrocities, undermine prejudices, build bridges, and bind us
together.
By
the way, I was in the process of writing a blog post recently, not this
one, which ended up being too long. I’ve decided to make my other
article a short novel instead. At the moment it’s at 10,000 words and
I’m only half-way through.
It’s called: “Pissed off with Christianity” I should have it finished by the end of May 2018.
There
is quite a bit about my dad and his illegal financial dealings within
the church in England including theft where he worked at the I.B.M. in
Scotland. Watch for it, I will update when it’s available.
I
have been told by my brother that I shouldn’t be writing things about
the family. I believe that I should, I believe that people have the
right to know what’s going on behind closed doors.
Maybe if I talk about these things, then Christians will stop acting so flippantly within the church.
Written by Chris Turner
April 22, 2018.
